November 29, 2007
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Digging around in Old Stuff
In the course of writing words here for the past four years or so, there have been a number of “abandoned thoughts” scattered through these pages. You probably have some, too… those posts that once seemed like a great idea, but ended up “eternally private” because they were never finished, yet too good to just scrap. Or, as it often happens for me, I am cooking along with a great train of thought… and then I am disturbed, so I save… and never feel able to pick up the trail again.
Then again, maybe other people have more functional brains than I do…
Due to my current lack of creative thought, I figgered I might as well plagiarize myself. Or something like it.
So, do people only write well when they are sad, angry, depressed, insane, mentally disturbed, in chaos, in transition, in pain….?
There’s an old (and possibly true) myth that great creativity, artistic expression and brilliance arises from pain and suffering. We read of “the tormented artist,” and watch people like Vincent van Gogh chop his ear off while creating the masterpieces of his life. Poets are often overwrought and heartbroken when they come up with the most amazing love poems known to humankind. Painters are suicidal and dark.
Some years ago I had an art gallery/gift store, and spent a fair amount of time meeting with and getting to know artists from many fields. I particularly remember a pair of Swedish glass blowers– and they created some really wonderful things– who lived by the idea that “we want to express the joy we feel while creating our art.”
Nobody took them seriously… even though their work was excellent. Jerker eventually went back to being an advertising executive, and whereas Richard did continue blowing glass, he never really got very far beyond the “local” stage.
I have been looking back over some of my own writing, recently. Personally, I find the stuff I wrote during the dark periods of my life to be… well… rather dark. I really used to moan and groan a lot. And whatever audience I might have had seemed to really like it. Which brings me to the thought that perhaps it’s all a matter of what people are looking for. Maybe it’s the old “misery loves company” complex. So many folks are in a place of pain suffering that they simply don’t want to hear about pink fluffy clouds.
Of course, I have often been quite critical of pink fluffy clouds, possibly because I have never lived anywhere that had any. But that’s neither here, nor there.
This got me to thinking about how different people have different emotions that are “easy” and “difficult” for them to deal with. For example, I deal with sadness rather easily… but I also know people who will go to great lengths to “distract” themselves in order to avoid feeling sadness… right down to the point of “substituting” another emotion. Conversely, I find anger a very difficult emotion to deal with. It’s not that I don’t– or can’t– deal with it, it just takes a lot more effort than sadness, pain, fear or something else. It makes me an odd duck, in some ways… if someone steals my favorite CD, I don’t feel angry about it, rather, I feel sad that I no longer have the music.
Clearly, I have some kind of learning there… as I have periodically contemplated the reasons why my life has often been rather full of “angry people.” I don’t like people with “anger management issues,” and yet they show up at my doorstep, all the time. I was watching the latest episode of “Pushing Daisies” last night, and rather deeply related to the Piemaker; I have never (for example) seen the point of retaliation and revenge. Hurting someone because they hurt me doesn’t make me “feel good.” I’m not denying that maybe it does for others, but it doesn’t, for me. And yet, it often seems to offend (at least some) people that I will just “walk away” rather than “go to war.” It’s a bit like that metaphorical question “What’s the sound of one hand clapping?” For me it’s “What’s the sound of one person having a fight?” That’s not to imply that I don’t have boundaries, and won’t stand up for what I believe in… but I am just going to “take it somewhere else,” rather than argue with people over it.
I have been asked how I can possibly “win at life” with that attitude. Which tends to lead to a whole new set of mumbo-jumbo, because I’m not sure what it is I have to “win.” I like to “be” and to “exist” and to “interact” and “connect….” and the whole “more than, better than, bigger than” paradigm is somewhat irrelevant to my life.
Which, perhaps, explains why much of my life has been about “scraping by,” rather outside the expected norms.
It does make me sad that living by the ideal of simply “being” in a way that feels intuitively right means that a person ends up on the fringes of society. Or, possibly, what really makes me feel sad is the realization that my “fringe dwelling” ways are often at the core of what a billion-dollar self-help industry teaches about inner peace and contentment.
And maybe THAT is the core paradox of the human condition: There are lots of things we want, but we don’t actually live those desires.
I don’t talk much about this stuff, because I worry about sounding intolerant… as intolerant as those who want me to be “something other than” what I am. I don’t feel intolerant. I merely feel puzzled, mystified.
Comments (22)
I don’t fight either. I strategize. If a person hurts me or is likely to hurt me, I try to take steps on my side to prevent being hurt. If they do it again, I just take other steps that get me closer to whatever goal I have with the relationship. I think of it as being economical with my energy expendature. I don’t worry much about what other people think about that strategy. That’s their problem.
I think it is pointless to take revenge on those who hurt us. They will reap their own rewards. I also think that we shouldn’t let ourselves be used by others who would take advantage of us. This has been a weakness of mine in the past but I am getting better at drawing lines. I find that people respect that…as I respect myself.
I write better poetry, I think when I am upset, either angry or in despair. I don’t know if this is a good thing or not. Writing has always been an outlet. I haven’t posted a poem or even attempted one in ever so long. I don’t especially like having problems in order to write. So there I am.
I suppose that writing for the sake of writing is enough. I have experienced much healing that way.
I, for one truly appreciate the “fringes of society”, having been on the fringe for most of my adult life. I have never fit into the mainstream, and I suppose there is a reason for that. Also I came of age during the late 60′s and through the 70′s so there was much soul searching and enlightment during those years.
I enjoy your thoughtful posts.
Yes, I believe that misery does love company. I also believe that people like to read about others being more miserable than themselves, and they also like to experience anger and sefl-righteousness vicariously. There are a lot of bloggers who only seem to blog when they have something to complain about and they’re in high dudgeon. Personally, I like to cool off before putting my pen to paper (or my fingers to keyboard). It’s too easy to say things you will regret later. After some reflection, one can find the humour in practically any situation. And that, I think, is what we should be aiming for: being able to laugh at ourselves, never taking ourselves too seriously. Life is too short and time spent on plotting revenge is ultimately wasted when it could have been spent on actually living.
I think the truth of the matter is that people who “feel deeply” are usually tortured by their feelings. They suffer; they are angry, and depressed, driven insane because they feel too deeply. It is not that the suffering causes them to be creative. It is their feelings which cause them to be creative, but creativity, like the suffering, are symptoms of their tremendous sensitivity. It weighs so heavily on their souls, that they can’t not express it. Because of their sensitivity, they are just as inundated with beauty as they are with the ugliness in life, so in being creative, they incorporate both into their creations, portraying misery the eloquence of beauty.
Now, as for pink fluffy clouds… that’s not beauty. That’s a cheap knock off. It’s merely cute. If you can plummet to the deaths of your being and give voice to your suffering in a way that draws others in and allows them to feel the same emotional catharsis you felt in writing of your misery, then you have done your job well. If you then rise to the very apex of human glory and all you can mange is pink fluffy clouds, well, I’ll read your dark stuff. At least it serves a purpose. lol
Now as for fighting, I love a good argument, but I don’t like fighting. I like debate. I don’t mind having a difference of opinion, but I would hope that whoever I am talking to could agree to disagree.
I think that the emotions that I feel really help me to write………an outlet…..a voice. Some I keep to myself and read again later…..and thank God that I have grown through a rough spot and the help He gave me…….hugs.
All I know for sure is that I used to write every day–always in my diary, usually some fiction every day as well–and around the time I now think I was becoming clinically depressed I also stopped writing.
I agree the dark stuff becoming popular easier most likely is misey loves company.
I like the drunken write sometimes. It tends to be much more honest. Yeah…that’s the ticket….
Why don’t we get drunk and ………..WRITE…………Peter! See what happens when a person writes when they’re feeling a bit silly?
be careful… Mars is in retrograde…. you may run into more anger. *hugs*
“Why do we have to “win” at life?” is my answer when people put it that way. “Whatever happened to living your life?” (I believe you’ve used this one too.)
The expression “positive mental attitude” and other statements it that are frequently bandied about by Western society at large, seek to make us homogenized (sorry about the cow reference) and vaguely aware that we may harbor discontent. I wonder if it is because *we* are so uncomfortable having negative feelings, we automatically jump in and chime in our two cents when someone is brave enough to venture out and vent. That way *we* get to experience anger, frustration, etc. on a safer, less personal level.
Im gonna answer this in parts…
There is some romanticism to highly emotional or disturbed characters when it comes to art. But I had that weeded out of me during one of my own art classes. Its kind of a long story but in short… I dont believe Van Gogh did his best work while feeling suicidal or masochistic. Having gone through depression myself (as we know it varies in severity) , at my worst, I was not creative and painting. I was in bed, wasting away.
In any career or field you have disturbed or sick people. In art however it is glorified to an extent.. and thats all it is to me. Is some silly glorification with no solid substance backing up the theory.
Also I was reading in a book, um, Writing Down the Bones… I believe it called. When the author states rarely can we write well about a place of time in life until we are removed from it. I say this in regards to what you say… “So, do people only write well when they are sad, angry, depressed, insane, mentally disturbed, in chaos, in transition, in pain….?”
I would say no. That and the understanding that it is easier to write about Paris when you have left it, vs. when you are experiencing it.
Same thing when you tend to be in the throws of love… everything comes out like, “I love Mike. I LOVE him. I love love love lovey love luv.”
About getting angry and angry people showing up in your life… as you say, there is something to be learned I believe. Im not sure as to what, but…. it reminds me of a meditation retreat I once went to. The dharma teacher spoke of a time when someone was highly irritating her. Instead of viewing it like that, if you take the perception of… “If this was an already enlightened person, testing me, how am I doing?”
Changes the perspective a bit. But I think its totally ok to get angry… just as its ok to laugh and to cry. Now how we go about expressing that anger may get called into question… but the emotion itself is natural.
RYC: I tend to look at myself kind of like a Judge Judy. “Your intentions may be fine but you still owe the plaintiff $565 dollars. As far as the other claims on your property, after 6 months its considered abandonment… so you can not collect for that.”
Intentions of others, much like in issues of love or grandiose themes where love saves all… dont always measure up. So, I can understand why people may think Im cynical, but I see myself as rather…. someone who needs to see the bigger picture. Thats why the Judge Judy analogy.
Theres more to life than love… and its always been that way whether I realized it or not. Hard work, courage, wisdom, patience, respect, among other virtues… all play a unique part.
P.S. I miss the old forum!
As a teen, and when in a “broken up” period from Bill, I could write amazing lyrics. I had people, including my teachers, telling me to pursue a writing career.
When I’m happy, I can’t write a song for the life of me. It’s rediculous.
RYC i saw yesterday for the first time the ferry terminal to , yes, Washington! I thought one had to transfer but no, there is one boat that goes thru San Juan islands (right?) and then to Washington. Customs at both ends. Didn’t know it was so easy to visit the states. Maybe one day when the “group” is meeting….I’ll join in ?
I’m like you with anger. I don’t deal with it well when I am feeling it. And even though I plot revenge from time to time, I can’t think of when I have actually acted in a vengeful way.
Life on the fringe – I relate to that as well. My husband and I are not particularly successful. We are comfortable, though. And while “sustainable” is starting to be over-used, there is one word not used enough – and that is “enough”.
Pleased to meet you, Peter, and thank you for subscribing to me. I am delighted to return the honor.
I’m not one for revenge either. It just creates this vicious circle. For some reason, though, a lot of people just don’t understand not wanting to see revenge. Your entries always make me feel less alone.
ryc: I agree with you completely! I added more after your comment as well. I could probably go on and on but who really wants to read a million page blog? lol…
Seems like anymore, the more upset I get, the less I write. My writing could be pretty great if I wanted it to, but that takes a lot of energy. Thanks for dropping by today.
there is a great difference. Action is a state of mind as well in a sense…
It’s life. It’s a cycle.
I think happiness involves wanting what we already have. Eh?
You win by not giving in to the anger. I used to get so mad when I was driving and I finally just let go and gave up. People are out there just trying to get from point A to point B and if some chachi wants to speed around and cut me off, well, I’m slowing down and getting as far away from him as I can. Let him go where he needs so desperately to go!
Now, if I can only do this in all other aspects of life.
i get angry when i feel threatened, and this revolves around survival issues mostly. i really dislike the idea of the tortured artist. i’ve dug into the deep dark places with my art, but know very little about the light joyous ones. im still learning.
i think there must be some kind of balance between with being and having. that’s what im searching for, at least.
always nice to read you, peter, and to have you visit when you do.
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ryc – yes, and you know, sometimes, it is just good to have a nice laugh
I think I feel my best creative energy when I am happy, feeling peace and love.
And, when I am hurt or upset, what I feel most like doing is something outdoors, away from confining walls and such, to work off that energy, just to burn off the feeling, either like yard work or a long bike ride, etc.
I think I’m the opposite…I can’t write with my depression right now ^^;;;
How interesting. I am learning how not to allow my feelings of anger cover up my feelings of sadness. And while I am not interested in winning, I am interested in producing: being myself in such a way that others also want a part of what I am being, and they will pay for it.