August 28, 2006

  • I think it was Leo Buscaglia who once speculated that if you put 1000 random strangers in a room together and left them for a while, when you returned, they would all have paired up according too their dysfunctionalities.


    Elsewhere– on several occasions– I have read and heard a piece of advice that goes something like this: If you meet someone and you share this huge instant magnetic attraction to each other, it’s a good bet that the smartest thing you can do is run in the opposite direction… because, most likely, they are your “worst poison.”


    Bits of information like these really make me wonder about the nature of attraction and love. Above all, the thought that keeps running through my mind is that if the above is true, is the underlying mechanism we (as human beings) use to select partners “broken?” As someone with a fairly idealistic mindset, I’d like to think that I am merely misinterpreting the meaning and intent behind the opening statements.


    One of my own truisms is well reflected by the statement Those who have abandoned their dreams will discourage yours.” I don’t know who said that, but I have found it to often hold true.


    One of my dubious “talents” in life seems to be the ability to “overthink” a lot of things. I used “overthinking” as my main mechanism to overcome my doubts about wanting to get married, when I was in my early 20′s. It could even be argued that I took paragraph two by the horns and convinced myself to get married to someone I was not particularly attracted to, but with whom I “made sense” on a number of levels. 13 years later, I was very tired of living with a roommate/business partner– and although there were many other “miscues” at work in the marriage, the absence of basic attraction and love was certainly one of the largest obstacles that simply couldn’t be overcome.


    As some of you might remember, I have preciously speculated on the differences between the feeling of love, and the act of love. When I read the words of messrs. Buscaglia, Gray, Hendrix and other “experts” on human relationships, I always get the sense that they feel that “romantic love” is highly overrated; and that “practical love” is what anchors people in life; in their relationships.


    And the idealist in me looks at that with sadness, and feels set adrift on an ice floe, in very cold water, very very far from dry land. Is love really just a cold practical issue, like buying a house, or a new car? Is what constitutes a “successful” relationship the ability to look back 40 years later and say “it lasted?” Like older couples I have known who “tolerated” each otherm but “made it work.” Or is the definition of a ”good” relationship ultimately as different as the people who get into them? Meaning that a large part of the reason so many people struggle in relationships is actually because they are trying to force a general set of values on their very specific needs and wants?


    Ultimately, I end up with more questions. My parents certainly just had what amounted to “a business arrangement.” So did many of my older family members. And most of them ended up divorced. Some just lived together in “quiet bitterness” till one’s demise, because they were committed to the relationship, but certainly not devoted to each other. At the same time, I have known more than a few people whose “flames of love” burned extremely brightly, but then burned out very quickly.


    So who decides what “works?” Perhaps the ultimate truth is that the “mistake” we make is trying to measure our relationships in the context of some “societal opinion,” as opposed to “our own opinion.” And the proverbial shyghte hits the proverbial fan when a pair of “romantic idealists” compare and contrast what they have with a pair of extremely “earthbound rationalists” and start wondering where (or whether) they’ve gone wrong.


    That has always been the problem with the term “normal,” for me. Just who gets to decide what constitutes normal? The countertops in my kitchen are 4″ higher than the industry “standard.” That’s not normal, but it hurts the crap out of my back to work at a “normal” height kitchen counter, because I am 6’4″. Does it, by some measure, make me dysfunctional to not want to work at “normal” height counters? Or does it make me particularly functional to create an abnormal paradigm that works for me?


    My counters work, for me.


    And so, I see that I have walked around in what constitutes most of a circle. Or maybe it’s really more of a Mobius strip, than a circle– except I am now standing on the opposite side of the ribbon, as the ultimate observer.


    ===> Perhaps the underlying truth is that the “mistake” we make is in the form of trying to measure our relationships in the context of some “societal opinion,” as opposed to “our own opinion.” <===


    And ultimately, it all begins with ourselves. The “mistake” becomes that we look for answers “without,” rather than “within.” With all due respect to the ostensible “experts,” they assume a pervasive level of “brokenness” and a lack of self-awareness. They also assume that we all want to package relating into the same “box,” the same descriptive framework.


    What completes the circle (at least for me) is that trite cliché that we must “learn to love ourselves.” Beyond that, we must learn to recognize ourselves as love. I look around me, at friends and family, and I see so much pain and suffering because I also see individuals looking to others to somehow “fix” their brokenness. I see them rely on another to be “the answer.” I see two broken people dancing the dance in the pretense that two broken halves somehow make a “whole.” And I see so many “endings” happen, simply because one person finally wakes up to the reality that they need to fix themselves, and then they end up leaving their partner behind in the process. One “more or less whole” person together with a “broken” person still does not make a “whole.”


    One of my Teachers once pointed out that you can’t truly know what you really want in your life, until you have answered the question of who you really are, on the deepest possible level. Many people, alas, try to figure out who they are through a series of sometimes wild and often random guesses at what they want. I recognize this in my own work, friendship and relationship histories, but even moreso in the histories of people I know. In the beginning, I knew neither what I wanted, nor who I was. Eventually, I “graduated” to a misinformed stage of believing that I knew what I wanted, absent knowing myself. It is not until my 40′s– following more than a decade of self-inquiry– that I have felt close enough to knowing myself to such a degree that I could realistically approach the issue of what I really want.


    There’s an interesting “fringe benefit” that comes with that knowing: People actively try to persuade me that I am “nuts” and “wrong.” Perhaps it’s because my process threatens their sense of the status quo, and brings into question whether or not they are aware of their own (note: not my) truth.


    Do you know yourself well enough to know what you really want?


     

Comments (23)

  • How about knowing what you want versus what you need? Oh, man, this is so well-timed, given my thoughts these days. I can always count on you for some serious food for thought.

  • I found this a very interesting article. I know people stuck in ‘practical’ relationships, and where they are financially secure, warm and dry, they are devoid of spontenaity. A few have drinking problems, are obese and don’t care.   I find that sad.   Maybe that’s why so many marriages fail.  I stuck with the guy I was attraced to from first sight. We’ve been married nearly 25 years now, and are very happy. We even still flirt.  I think there is something to be said for that. :)

    Cheers

  • I have recently discovered that what I thought I wanted often wasnt what I needed. It’s almost like what I needed, and now want, was hiding in the shadows. Like many shadows, we dont even know they exist until someone shines a light on them.

  • Interesting question, I was just going to blog on something of this nature.

  • Interesting post and yes I know myself well enough to know what I want, what to dream and whom to love.  I have been married to hubby for nearly 27 years and if we had to depend on romantic love, we would have never made it past year number 3.  I am just blessed that God guides our marriage, our lives and thoughts.   I hope that you find the peace that you want and the answers to your questions.  I enjoy reading what you have to say.

  • Good thoughts.  Do I know what I want?  Not yet…but I’m getting there. 

    I’ll never tell you that you’re wrong, but I may say you’re nuts (joking).  Honestly, I think a good marriage maintains it’s sexual attraction and fun also.  It may dwindle or turn into simply touching, kissing, holding, etc., but the physical attraction remains.  Atleast that’s what I want to think and what I’ve observed from people that are in the ‘right’ marriage.   

    Hugs, ~Colleen 

  • “…if you put 1000 random strangers in a room together and left them for a while, when you returned, they would all have paired up according too their dysfunctionalities.” lol I find that funny (but true).

    and “”Those who have abandoned their dreams will discourage yours.” ~ that was certainly true about people who tried to convince me I’d be better off giving up pursuing the child support battle (years ago) because they’d given up easier than I.  But look, he pays now doesn’t he?  Yup!

    “you can’t truly know what you really want in your life, until you have answered the question of who you really are, on the deepest possible level.” ~ maybe it’s true that you can’t truly know what you want in your life until you ask that question… but what if when you get to that point you discover you no longer want.  You’re at peace with what is… if one goes to the deepest possible level….  not being there yet, just somewhere along the way… it’s amazing to me to see my desires drop back yet still they’re there, just I’m not needy as much about them.  and at the same time, I don’t care if it ever comes to pass… so what I wanted before I went deeper… has morphed, not erradicated, just all is fine regardless.  it’s too weird to try to put this into words.  doesn’t work, the words.

  • ps, i could never go for a practical marriage… i’m passionate idealist too though, nothing you didn’t know though.  I rather have a liftime filled with sporadic, meaningful, deep relationships than an obligatory feeling relationship that bounds me, though a combination would be nice.  But right now… Im fine how things are, alone.  it’s nice.

  • I do not begin to know myself well enough to know what I want.

    Among all these “experts” on relationships, have you read The Five Love Languages? I thought that was interesting, if not as generally applicable as the author made it sound.

  • what an awesome post

  • Wow!  I absolutely love this blog.  I am going to borrow this from you.  And yes, I know myself to know what I really want…well, for the most part anyway.  It’s funny that you should mention this because I just recently finished my soul searching journey, and what a journey it was!  I could relate to some of the things you wrote, and I also agree with most of it as well.  =)

    Have a great week~

  • Just passing by checking out what other people on the Internet Island blogring are doing with their blogs. Good question… I would have to answer “no” although with the passing of years I get closer to the truth of who I am.

  • I made some of those mistakes in getting into my former marriage.

  • Well, Leo is obviously not familiar with my life experiences. LOL. (And I’m not sure the ostensible experts assume that we all want the same thing, as much as they are concerned which same thing sells best to the most people.)  Great post.  I enjoyed it.  I think I can answer your question ‘yes.’  My daughter asked me the other night why most of the girls her age didn’t seem to know who they are really or what they want- and I told her it is the same for most people, even into adulthood;  thinking just hurts too bad and most people don’t do it or won’t do it unless they have to- and for some people that means never.    I told her to get used to it.

  • I had to read your post twice and really digest some of it. There was a lot within that I feel I can finally relate to. I’m in a healthy relationship for the first time…. well…. for the first time ever. I look back now and see my mistakes clearly because of what I currently have. I’ve been in situations as you mentioned. The first, someone who shared almost all of my dysfunctions–someone who was so like me that we ended up feeding off each others’ negative attributes in a very unhealthy way. The next guy I met was like me in many ways, but not in other ways. I’d say it was about 50/50 if I was to take a haphazard guess. He turned out to be a psychopath, the worst I could have ever chosen for myself.

    Now, I’m with a guy that has some things in common with me, but honestly? Is very much my opposite–my Jungian Animus. We are both creative, artistic, love science fiction. But, he’s the sun to my moon–the warrior to my poet. He’s loud, socially energetic and charismatic. He is a talker. He laughs out loud, claps his hands and stomps his feet when he sees something funny. I chuckle softly. I’m pretty quiet. I like to listen. That which we have different compliments one another.

    Was the attraction there the first time we met in person? You bet. It was a moment that you read about in books or see in the movies–that instant connect, eye contact and all. We met online, spoke on the phone before we met and then BOOM.

    I think it all comes down to finding what works FOR you. He’s not perfect and neither am I, but we certainly are perfect for each other.

    And I have more to say, because your post simply inspired my words! I hope you don’t mind. =)

    As for people making it work, I used to believe that relationships should be easy if they were any good. Things would just naturally fall into place and it would be as merry as the day is long (to steal from Shakespeare.) Well, at first they were just that. Things were easy. Then it happens, the inevitable: we revealed to one another that we’re human beings. We had a few fights. We had stressful moments and instances of miscommunication. There were tears, there was arguing, there was making up (the best part, if you ask me.)

    I realized that some aspects of a relationship ARE easy. I can reach out to touch his hand and not be afraid of his reaction. I can cup his face in my hands and tell him how handsome I think he is and not worry about his reaction. I can slip into bed next to him and curl up behind him when it’s cold and not stop to think “will he be upset if I wake him up?” Some things ARE easy and get easier as you get to know one another. But is it work? Yes. You have to work at communicating–especially in the beginning. How else will he know that when he falls asleep downstairs while watching television and doesn’t ever come to bed that I get sad and can’t sleep… unless I TELL him. And it’s not an easy thing to say or do because I certainly don’t want to come across as the needy nellie that always needs physical contact. That’s the harder part, the honesty part about what he does that pisses me off (or what I do that makes him irate.)

    And not to get too personal, but sex isn’t always about being spontaneous. Sometimes it happens that way when you’re suddenly turned on and act on those feelings. But ya know what? Most of the time, because of our busy schedules, I have to get up in the morning and say (with a grin) “look, I think tonight it’s going to happen, ok?” Because you plan, does not make it any less intimate. Every day isn’t full of clothes-ripping, button-popping passion. Actively trying to make a relationship work doesn’t mean there is less love, perhaps the opposite. The fact that you care so much and you are aware that your feelings and insecurities can harm what you have will cause you to address things and work at overcoming them together.

    It’s a team effort, at least from what I have learned.

    Is it romantic? Yes. =) It really is. Romance is not flowers and wine every night–it’s a hug or a kiss at the right moment. It’s that bath he draws for me every night or the way he greets me when I come home. Just because one works at it, doesn’t make it less romantic!

    Anyway, sorry for babbling so much, but I enjoyed your post so much I had to respond. Thank you for reading!

    Lulu

  • I think what is more important is if we know what we DON’T want…it’s much easier to count those things rather than the opposite of that

  • I’m happy in my case that the passion remained.  Sometime the passion was to tear a phone off the wall, or put a fist through the door, but still THE passion remained.  Have you read Blue Like Jazz by Donald Miller?  It’s a nonreligious book about Christianity and dwells so much on leaning to love yourself before you can be receptive to love from someone else.

  • I want to be a free spirit and just be!  I’m learning it isn’t easy because people want me in a jar; mainly because they wish they could be free but think its wrong to be that way.  So they try and take it from me and sometimes they succeed.  Loved this blog needed to hear what you said.  Thank you.

  • Im of the understanding the more at peace you are with yourself the better all your relationships will become. Even if you do posses a little poison… its just a little. So maybe you can attract those with smaller amounts as well… equaling out to less drama! But here I am trying to make math out of something that even numbers cant solve.

    I think its essential to know a good thing when you have it… or to recognise it if its bad as well. If we cant weigh out these two things reasonably then two terrible tings occur… you can either A) Give up the good thing and seriously lose something that benefited your soul. B)If you cant recognise that you got a bad thing you may stick around in it while it depleats your energy. If you cant weigh these things out then youre just kicking yourself in the ass….

    Which goes back to knowing yourself… It goes back to recognising what is good for you and what isnt… nd being mature about the whole matter.

    Like does attract like… so I say whatever good you have, amplify it… and whatever bad you have, reduce it or enlighten it with compassion.

  • Well, if misery loves company – - what does love, love?

    Happy Birfday.  I Love You!

  • Thanks for stopping by, Peter. Your observation – “the real challenge in life lies in remaining spiritually centered in the face of ringing telephones, co-workers yelling demands and instructions, and people cutting us off in traffic” … you don’t happen to have that perfected do you? I could use some lessons  ; )

  • As always, an interesting blog  from an interesting man.  “The man” and I are very different, but we can look at each other and burst out laughing at the same thing.  And treating each other with kindness.  After seven decades of living, kindness and integrity are huge. 

  • See, this entry really and truely rings home with me.  Both the thoughts on normalicy, and the issues with relationships.  Since both go hand in hand in this post, its kind of a circular argument, like you said.

    When myself and C started dating, things went well, because we lived in my house, on my rules and since he *wanted* very little input on the running of the house, things went well.  We didn’t argue over money, over how the house was taken care of or decorated, and the few times he did the dishes or fixed dinner it was a blessing, because he otherwise left me and the kitchen, etc to our own devices.  I didn’t *rely* on him to keep things up and he was very careful to not get in my way.

    When we moved into a larger house, this became a problem.  I don’t have the abilities to draw from to manage a large house.  I just don’t.  I know this, and always kept a small apartment.  But now I had a two bedroom house with a full basement, and the job of keeping it uncluttered was overwhelming to me.  C is a clutter-er by nature…as I think a large majority of guys are fresh out of their mothers care.  His mother took care of everything in the house including his own room, and at 29 he didn’t have the skills to keep a house managed either.  Add on top of that I was in charge of the finances and he had a debit card he used as he saw fit without telling me…………

    Anyway, the tirade was about how this house, while nice, was too much for us.  it was too big right off the block and we both had stuff that needed sorted, and dumped or taken out or whatever.  This is both materialistically and emotionally, because he wanted in before I resolved myself..and he never did resolve his issues with his ex so he puts them onto me. 

    Is this love?  I don’t know.  I am having issues with myself, and unlike most others, I don’t look to him to figure me out.  There is a quote from a song, at this point i’ve not had enough coffee to remember its maker  “she can’t find the heart of a woman in the arms of a man”…..and its truthful.

    I’m only 5’11″ and I have a hard enough time with the countertops, I can’t imagine 6’4″.  I guess the industry generally assumes its the woman in the kitchen and she’s 5’8″.   I say normal is a mixture of accepted Ideas.  What concerns you, like your house, your love life…that should be yours to define.  I’m not mass media normal either.  But me?  I’m okay with that.

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